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If you can't die, then can you really live either?

Thanks for fighting the good fight, from a psychiatric survivor. Ironically the war on suicide causes suicide just like the war drugs causes overdoses. There is very good evidence rates would actually be much lower if suicide were legal.

miss a few days of pills or an injection

The withdrawals from these drugs are often mistaken as mental illness. This is easy to mistake as someone uneducated on the topic, but with these drugs tapering is important for a reason. The long term outcomes are actually much better off drugs, including lifespan and brain size. This has been known for a long time. There are also far more effective, less dangerous methods of treatment for psychosis.

https://psychrights.org/Litigation/ForcedDruggingDefensePkg.pdf Outcomes are worse on medication, including death rates, and forcing them is not in patients’ or governments’ interest. (Many studies are cited in here.)

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756604/ Court-ordered forced treatment shows "no evidence of patient benefit" in international meta-analyses and systematic reviews. 

Also, there are tons of studies showing any forced commitment made things worse for her long term mental health and suicide risk: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uSB2HcDQp9svlHwpaPLPQ-w8iyY5bV1Y_FNQ56jTO3w/edit?usp=drivesdk. The top cited source also talks about several alternatives for psychotic disorder treatment.

I feel bad for all the abuse she was put through by the system and uneducated family members. I would love to hear her side of the story.

I'd like to hear his side of the story. Why doesn't he take the medication, for example? It might be because the medication reduces recovery rates, lifespan, and brain volume. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uSB2HcDQp9svlHwpaPLPQ-w8iyY5bV1Y_FNQ56jTO3w/edit?usp=drivesdk There are tons of studies on the topic. There are also alternatives suggested in the psychrights linked documents. Also, it shows if he has ever gotten forced treatment, that likely destroyed his trust and made things worse.

If your parents are letting him stay holed up, it sounds like they're enabling his behavior. Does he pay rent?

Forced commitment is known to make things worse in the long run, and of course his trust is destroyed now. I feel really bad for him. I linked sourcing in another comment.

Rob, I have one major question on my mind a lot. As someone whose mother and I both received months of forced hospitalizations largely as the result of psychiatric drugs (for me, mostly as a minor), which completely destroyed my family, I want to know this:

How much is "making things worse for profit" intentional on behalf of providers and legislators (i.e. creating additional trauma and awful medicine purposely to make people into long term patients)?

It seems to me clear as day the interventions are designed to make a substantial number of people worse, like the suicide/self harm and psychosis causing drugs to the solid evidence of forced commitment increasing suicide attempt rates (while the APA also takes away guns so attempts get the victim forcibly readmitted). There is so much evidence against forced "treatment", so much data indicating it makes things worse and yet these cruel psychs seem to conveniently push more intervention to line their pockets.

Also, I don't expect you to read this but you can if you'd like. It's my story for anyone who wants to read; tw SA/CSA, child abuse, nutritional deprivation, suicidal/child suicidal behavior: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r3kl167g93D8_fJX9MUXKqAZJ93xi4jctK0p187rXCY/edit?usp=drivesdk edit: replaced linn.