As far as I understand, the real issue at hand is whether President Ma and KMT violated due process by invoking the Article 61 of the Legislative Yuan Functions Act to skip the 2nd review in the legislative Yuan. There is also a controversy regarding whether article 61 applies to trade agreements too. In a proper democracy this is where the judicial branch gets involved right? Shouldn't the DPP and the protesters be calling the Judicial yuan to determine whether whether what happened violates due process and whether article 61 applies here? Has the DPP and the protesters done anything in that regard, and if not, why?
Reading the comments here and reactions of people on TV and people around me, the message I am getting is that they've had enough of President Ma and KMT's failures to respect the law/govern properly, and that's what prompted the student movement Can you explain to me in detail what they've done exactly to warrant such reputation? I think it's safe to say almost every politician in every country uses some sort of underhanded tactics to fulfill their agendas(i.e the 2000 US election, the justification for invading iraq under Bush). so what is it that the KMT and Ma did that is unequivocally worse than other mature democracies?
Let's say the trade pact did indeed go back to legislative Yuan for a proper review. At that point would you still be demanding the trade pact to be withdrawn altogether? If you do, on what basis would you call what you do pro-democracy, since the law at that point would be passed by majority who were democratically elected, and they did not break any procedure passing the law?
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As far as I understand, the real issue at hand is whether President Ma and KMT violated due process by invoking the Article 61 of the Legislative Yuan Functions Act to skip the 2nd review in the legislative Yuan. There is also a controversy regarding whether article 61 applies to trade agreements too. In a proper democracy this is where the judicial branch gets involved right? Shouldn't the DPP and the protesters be calling the Judicial yuan to determine whether whether what happened violates due process and whether article 61 applies here? Has the DPP and the protesters done anything in that regard, and if not, why?
Reading the comments here and reactions of people on TV and people around me, the message I am getting is that they've had enough of President Ma and KMT's failures to respect the law/govern properly, and that's what prompted the student movement Can you explain to me in detail what they've done exactly to warrant such reputation? I think it's safe to say almost every politician in every country uses some sort of underhanded tactics to fulfill their agendas(i.e the 2000 US election, the justification for invading iraq under Bush). so what is it that the KMT and Ma did that is unequivocally worse than other mature democracies?
Let's say the trade pact did indeed go back to legislative Yuan for a proper review. At that point would you still be demanding the trade pact to be withdrawn altogether? If you do, on what basis would you call what you do pro-democracy, since the law at that point would be passed by majority who were democratically elected, and they did not break any procedure passing the law?
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